1 1 PUBLIC HEARING 2 ----------------------------------x 3 NEW JERSEY RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY : 4 RESPONSE PLAN FOR NUCLEAR POWER : 5 PLANTS : 6 ----------------------------------x 7 8 9 Computer-aided transcript of the hearing of the 10 NEW JERSEY RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE PLAN FOR 11 NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS, taken stenographically in the 12 above matter before REGINE A. ERVIN, a Certified 13 Court Reporter, License #30XI000222200 and Notary 14 Public of the State of New Jersey at the Emergency 15 News Center, 2nd Floor, Woodstown, New Jersey, on 16 Wednesday, July 17, 2013 commencing at 7:00 p.m. 17 18 19 GUY J. RENZI & ASSOCIATES 20 CERTIFIED COURT REPORTERS & VIDEOGRAPHERS 21 GOLDEN CREST CORPORATE CENTER 22 2277 STATE HIGHWAY #33, SUITE 410 23 TRENTON, NEW JERSEY 08690 24 TEL: (609) 989-9199 TOLL FREE: (800) 368-7652 25 www.renziassociates.com 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S: 2 3 STATE OF NEW JERSEY 4 DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION 5 BUREAU OF NUCLEAR ENGINEERING 6 BY: JERRY HUMPHREYS 7 33 Arctic Parkway, P.O. BOX 415 8 Trenton, New Jersey 08625 9 Tel: (609) 984-7469 10 E-Mail: jerry.humphreys@dep.state.nj.us 11 12 STATE OF NEW JERSEY 13 DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION 14 BUREAU OF NUCLEAR ENGINEERING 15 BY: PATRICK MULLIGAN, MANAGER 16 33 Arctic Parkway, P.O. Box 415 17 Trenton, New Jersey 08625 18 Tel: (609) 984-7700 19 E-Mail: patrick.mulligan@dep.state.nj.us 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 A P P E A R A N C E S: 2 3 NEW JERSEY DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH 4 BY: JEFFREY WINEGAR, EMERGENCY RESPONSE COORDINATOR 5 OPERATIONS PROGRAM 6 369 South Warren Street, 8th Floor, 7 P.O. BOX 360 8 Trenton, New Jersey 08625 9 Tel: (609) 984-0788 10 E-Mail: Jeffrey.Winegar@doh.state.nj.us 11 12 NEW JERSEY STATE POLICE 13 EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT SECTION 14 BY: ALLEN T. SMITH, RADIOLOGICAL EMERGENCY RESPONSE 15 PLANNING AND TECHNICAL UNIT 16 DIVISION HEADQUARTERS 16 P.O. BOX 7068 - River Road 17 West Trenton, New Jersey 08625 18 Tel: (609) 947-0168 19 E-Mail: lppsmitha@gw.njsp.org 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 1 COMMENTERS PAGE 2 3 JAMES SIANO 16, 28 4 MADELYN SCHAEFFER 21 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5 1 MR. HUMPHREYS: Good evening. My name 2 is Jerry Humphreys. I am an engineer in the 3 Bureau of Nuclear Engineering within the New 4 Jersey Department of Environmental 5 Protection. I will be the Hearing Officer this 6 evening. 7 The purpose of this hearing is to receive 8 testimony, comments, and questions regarding 9 the adequacy and effectiveness of the New 10 Jersey Radiological Emergency Response Plan for 11 Nuclear Power Plants. 12 In order that this hearing be properly 13 documented, these proceedings are being 14 recorded by a certified court reporter. 15 Everyone attending this meeting is asked to 16 sign the attendance sheet before leaving. The 17 attendance sheets for these hearings are used 18 to update the Bureau of Nuclear Engineering's 19 public hearing mailing list. 20 Public notice of this hearing was 21 published in the New Jersey Register on June 22 3rd, July 1st, 2013. In addition, public 23 notice was published in the South Jersey Times 24 from July 10th through July 16th of this year. 25 Copies of the public notice for the hearings 6 1 were mailed in June to persons who attended 2 last year's hearings. 3 This hearing will proceed as follows: I 4 will provide a brief background on why we are 5 conducting this hearing. Then I will introduce 6 the panel members and ask them to briefly 7 describe the role of their organization in 8 nuclear emergency preparedness and response. 9 Finally, I will open the hearing for comments 10 and questions from the public. 11 The New Jersey Radiation Accident 12 Response Act requires that the Department of 13 Environmental Protection in cooperation with 14 the New Jersey Division of State Police, 15 conduct public hearings to take comment on, and 16 to address questions relevant to the adequacy 17 and effectiveness of the New Jersey 18 Radiological Emergency Response Plan for 19 Nuclear Power Plants. 20 These public hearings are held annually 21 in each of the three counties affected by the 22 plan, Ocean County for the Oyster Creek Nuclear 23 Generating Station, and Salem and Cumberland 24 Counties for the Salem Unit 1, Salem Unit 2, 25 and Hope Creek Nuclear Generating Stations. 7 1 We are here tonight to listen to your 2 questions and comments on New Jersey's Nuclear 3 Emergency Response Plan. Comments on more 4 general nuclear power issues or issues that 5 relate to licensing and regulatory matters at 6 nuclear power plants are not within the purview 7 of this meeting and hence, are not appropriate, 8 and will not be addressed. 9 The purpose of the plan is to coordinate 10 and implement an immediate and comprehensive 11 response at the state, county, and municipal 12 levels to a radiological emergency associated 13 with any nuclear power plant affecting the 14 State of New Jersey. Copies of the plan are 15 available for public inspection at the Salem 16 County Emergency Management Office in 17 Mannington Township, the Cumberland County 18 Office of Emergency Management in Bridgeton, 19 the Ocean County Office of Emergency Management 20 in Berkerly Township, the New Jersey Office of 21 Emergency Management, West Trenton, and in 22 public libraries in Salem, Cumberland, and 23 Ocean Counties. 24 Now, I would like to introduce the 25 members of the panel. Mr. Allen Smith is 8 1 representing the New Jersey Division of State 2 Police. Mr. Smith is a Senior Planner in the 3 Office of Emergency Management Radiological 4 Emergency Response Planning and Technical Unit. 5 Mr. Patrick Mulligan is representing the New 6 Jersey Department of Environmental Protection. 7 Mr. Mulligan is the Manager of the DEP's 8 Bureau of Nuclear Engineering. Mr. Jeff 9 Winegar is representing the New Jersey 10 Department of Health. 11 Mr. Winegar is the Emergency Response 12 Coordinator in the Division of Public Health 13 Infrastructure, Laboratories, and Emergency 14 Preparedness. If questions arise that involve 15 the responsibilities of Department of Health, I 16 will call on him for a response. 17 Now, I will ask Mr. Smith to briefly 18 describe the role of the State Police in the 19 plan. 20 MR. SMITH: For the record, my name is 21 Allen Smith and I am representing the State 22 Office of Emergency Management within the 23 Division of State Police. I would like to 24 thank the Department of Health and Senior 25 Services, Salem County Office Management and 9 1 also the Bureau of Nuclear Engineering, the 2 moderators of tonight's hearing. 3 Our office has the responsibility for 4 administering and implementing the radiological 5 emergency response plan for incidents at 6 nuclear power plants in New Jersey. In 7 addition to the preparation of the radiological 8 Emergency Response Plan, the New Jersey State 9 Police is the lead agency in the following four 10 of the five functional areas identified in the 11 plan, notification and communication, command 12 and coordination, protective actions which 13 include evacuation, shelter and place, access 14 control, food, water and milk control, parallel 15 actions. Also includes traffic control, 16 decontamination, exposure control, mass care, 17 law enforcement, fire control, public health, 18 and re-entry, return and recovery. 19 The Office of Emergency Management 20 maintains the Regional Operations Intelligence 21 Center which also serves as the State's 22 Emergency Operations Center for emergencies. 23 The State EOC is the source of the Governor's 24 protective action decision and resource support 25 for the counties and municipalities 10 1 implementing the radiological response plans. 2 For the record, I would like to 3 introduce -- never mind. They are not here 4 right now. Sorry. That's the end of my 5 statement. Thank you. 6 MR. HUMPHREYS: Now, I will ask Mr. 7 Mulligan to briefly describe the role of the 8 Department of Environmental Protection in the 9 Plan. 10 MR. MULLIGAN: Thank you. 11 Good evening. My name is Patrick 12 Mulligan. I am the manager of the Bureau of 13 Nuclear Engineering and I'll briefly discuss 14 the role of the Department of Environmental 15 Protection in the New Jersey Radiological 16 Response Plan. 17 The New Jersey Radiological Emergency 18 Response Plan includes the plan, standard 19 operating procedures and annexes. The Plan 20 identifies all responsible state agencies 21 and outlines their specific roles in the event 22 of a nuclear emergency. It is based on the 23 primary functions that were just outlined by 24 Mr. Smith. 25 Since agency roles and responsibilities 11 1 that the RERP outlines don't change often , the 2 plan itself essentially does not change. The 3 Standard Operating Procedures contain detailed 4 instructions and guidelines used by each 5 agency when performing their specific duties. 6 The standard operating procedures are reviewed 7 and tested annually through drills and 8 exercises. 9 The procedures are then revised as 10 necessary in order to enhance emergency 11 response. The Annexes, A and B, are the 12 Radiological Emergency Response Plans for the 13 Salem/Hope Creek and Oyster Creek Nuclear 14 Generating Sites. Each annex describes 15 the planning basis and concept of 16 operation for each of the municipalities 17 within the ten-mile Emergency Planning 18 Zone around each site. 19 Under the New Jersey Radiation Accident 20 Response Act, the Department of Environmental 21 Protection has the lead role in Accident 22 Assessment and control of food, water, and milk 23 following an incident. Accident Assessment 24 involves two separate analysis, an engineering 25 analysis of the event at the plant as it 12 1 unfolds, and an analysis of the amount of 2 radiation to which the public may be exposed in 3 the event of a release. 4 Depending upon the severity of the event, 5 the Department provides protective Action 6 Recommendations to the Governor who will make 7 a final decision on actions to be implemented 8 to protect public health and safety. 9 Protective Action Recommendations for the 10 public may include the administration of 11 potassium iodide, evacuation, sheltering, and 12 access control within the affected or 13 potentially affected area. 14 The Act also specifies that the 15 Department develop and implement a 16 comprehensive monitoring strategy that includes 17 the daily monitoring of levels or radioactivity 18 in the environment. The Department also 19 provides public health and safety and technical 20 guidance with respect to the preparation and 21 implementation of the Plan. The Department's 22 final responsibility under the Act is to 23 conduct, in cooperation with the State Police, 24 public hearings annually in each designated 25 county to determine the adequacy and 13 1 effectiveness of the Plan. 2 Members of my staff who are here tonight 3 from the Department of Environmental Protection 4 are: Mr. Elliott Rosenfeld, an engineer in 5 our engineering section, Mr. Jay Vouglitois, 6 who works in our environmental section. Karen 7 Tuccillo who is the supervisor of our 8 environmental section, and Mr. Chris Barry who 9 works in our emergency preparedness section. 10 Thank you. 11 MR. HUMPHREYS: Thank you, Pat. Now, 12 I will ask Mr. Winegar to briefly describe the 13 role of the Department of Health. 14 MR. WINEGAR: Good evening. My name is 15 Jeff Winegar. I am here today at the Salem 16 County Hearing representing the New Jersey 17 Department of Health. 18 In the event of a radiological incident 19 at a nuclear power plant, the New Jersey 20 Department of Health functions in a supportive 21 role to the New Jersey State Police regarding 22 protective actions for the general public. 23 In addition, the Department of Health 24 will support the State Police in the area of 25 evacuation and sheltering operations of the 14 1 public as well as the public health and 2 sanitation issues. 3 The Department of Health will coordinate 4 with the State EOC to lead state-level 5 emergency medical service operations. The 6 Department of Health will also coordinate 7 hospital and nursing home preparations and 8 transfers as requested by the County Medical 9 and Health Coordinators. 10 The Department of Health will function in 11 a supportive role to the New Jersey Department 12 of Environmental Protection, Bureau of Nuclear 13 Engineering for technical counsel and guidance 14 on public health and medical implications of 15 radiation exposures. 16 Upon the declaration of a General 17 Emergency, the Department of Health has in 18 place a standing order that authorizes the 19 voluntary use of potassium iodide (KI) by 20 emergency workers and the general public. KI 21 has been distributed to Local Health 22 Departments and Emergency agencies in Ocean, 23 Cumberland and Salem Counties. In addition, KI 24 is in possession of the New Jersey State 25 Police. The remaining supply resides with the 15 1 State's Strategic Stockpile in Trenton. 2 The Department of Health serves as the 3 lead state agency for personnel monitoring and 4 record keeping of emergency worker radiation 5 dosimetry results. The monitoring of emergency 6 workers is critical in ensuring that radiation 7 exposure levels are kept as low as reasonably 8 achievable. 9 Once an emergency phase of a radiological 10 incident is under control, (for example, no 11 further release of ionzing radiation), the 12 Department of Health will assist with the 13 recovery phase. Representatives of the 14 Department of Health, Consumer and 15 Environmental Health Services, Food and Drug 16 Safety Program may, for example, be deployed 17 with the BNE for field activities involving the 18 collection of milk and other food samples for 19 radiological analysis. 20 Thank you. That's all I have. 21 MR. HUMPHREYS: Thank you, Jeff. 22 We will now proceed with the public's 23 questions and comments. Those individuals who 24 wish to speak, should complete a speaker 25 registration card and hand it to one of the 16 1 staff. I will call the speakers' names in the 2 same order as I receive the registration cards. 3 Please be certain to clearly print your name 4 and address on the registration card so that 5 we can contact you if we need to respond to 6 your comments and questions more fully in 7 writing. 8 When I call your name, please come 9 forward, take a seat and make yourself 10 comfortable. Before you begin your comments, 11 please spell your name for the reporter. 12 Speakers will be limited to five minutes each. 13 If time still remains after everyone has had 14 a chance to speak, I will invite additional 15 comments from those individuals who have 16 already spoken. In fairness to the speaker, 17 and in order that we can make the best use of 18 this time, I ask the cooperation of the 19 audience in refraining from calling out. 20 Comments from the audience will only 21 delay the proceedings and will disrupt our 22 ability to hear and accurately record the 23 speaker's statements. 24 Again, I would like to emphasize that we 25 are here tonight to listen to your questions 17 1 and comments on New Jersey's Nuclear Emergency 2 Response Plan. Comments on more general 3 nuclear power issues or issues that relate to 4 licensing and regulatory matters at nuclear 5 power plants, are not within the purview of 6 this meeting and, hence, are not appropriate 7 and will not be addressed. 8 Thank you. We will now proceed to call 9 our first commenter. The first one I have is 10 James Siano. 11 MR. SIANO: The first comment I have is, 12 I really liked your opening statements. They 13 were very detailed and, in fact, they might 14 have answered some of the questions I had. 15 So, thank you. 16 I guess the first question I have 17 that's on my mind is, the artifacts presented 18 on the table, are they available online as 19 opposed to just in, you know, the physical 20 locations like the libraries? I'm in Camden 21 County and I really don't want to drive all 22 the way down to Salem County to look at those. 23 I mean, there's light reading on the table. I 24 guess that's my first question. 25 MR. SMITH: They are not online. They 18 1 are in their respective counties. So, Ocean 2 County which is for Oyster Creek has Ocean 3 County's plan. Salem County has Salem County's 4 plan. It's Salem/Cumberland combined plan. 5 So, it will be in Salem County and Cumberland 6 and in the libraries. But it's not online. 7 MR. SIANO: Okay. My comment then would 8 be, I would think it would be good that it be 9 online given that it doesn't cause a problem. 10 How and what extent is the plan exercised 11 and how often and do the various agencies 12 integrate their improvements into that plan? 13 MR. MULLIGAN: We drill and exercise each 14 year at least quarterly with both of the 15 sites, which means there's three reactors down 16 here in South Jersey, Salem and two in Hope 17 Creek. So, we do a minimum of four exercises 18 and drills down here each year. And then 19 another four at Oyster Creek. 20 Each year under -- we're required by 21 federal law to have a full-scale exercise which 22 is evaluated by the Federal Emergency 23 Management Agency. And so the year that we 24 have that exercise, we do an additional 25 full-scale exercise in preparation for that. 19 1 So, there are at least two full-scale exercises 2 at each site in addition to those four 3 quarterly ones that we have. 4 The State also further mandates that we 5 have stated evaluated exercises. For example, 6 if FEMA is grading an exercise here in Salem 7 and Hope Creek, the State is mandated to do 8 the same thing, a self-evaluated exercise 9 at Oyster Creek. So, we're exercising at 10 each site roughly about six times a year. 11 MR. SIANO: When you say full scale, is 12 that just table top or is that -- 13 MR. MULLIGAN: That is full-scale. 14 Full-scale means that we respond to all our 15 emergency facilities. That means we get field 16 teams with instrumentation including county 17 support for that out in the field and we run 18 a full operation as if we responding to a real 19 event. 20 MR. SIANO: Okay. In your plan do you 21 use the things like the ICS and the NIMS 22 framework? And in the event of a crisis, is 23 that plan -- who is in charge and who would 24 be the publish information officer in a crisis 25 of that nature? 20 1 MR. SMITH: Our SOPS and plans are -- 2 some of our SOPs are in accordance with 3 NIMS and HC requirements. We're currently 4 moving in that direction to fully implement 5 the NIMS and HC process into our plans next 6 year. Some of our working documents that we 7 use right now at the like the lowest level 8 of the State EOC actually are NIMS 9 compliant. 10 There's a whole new regulatory issue 11 with a program manual coming up from FEMA. 12 We're re-doing a lot of procedures and SOPS but 13 that's beside the point. Back to your first 14 question, who is in charge, it would be the 15 governor of the State. And in his absence, 16 it's the State director which is the colonel 17 of the State Police. 18 So, when we do the full-scale functional 19 exercises, we actually staff the State EOC 20 with the State Director, all the State 21 departments, the Bureau of Nuclear Engineering 22 and all the agencies that need to support those 23 resources and get the effective actions made 24 for the public. So, it's very intense drills. 25 They are not something that we take lightly. 21 1 MR. SIANO: Do other states participates 2 like Delaware? 3 MR. SMITH: Delaware does participate on 4 their side of the river. And we do coordinate 5 with them and talk about protective actions 6 that we're taking. And they also talk about 7 protective actions that they're taking. 8 MR. SIANO: Does that include the Coast 9 Guard as well? 10 MR. SMITH: Yes, it does, sir. 11 MR. SIANO. The proceedings for tonight, 12 who do I -- can one read those online? 13 How do you get them if I wanted to read these 14 comments and answer? 15 MR. HUMPHREYS: After the hearing is 16 over, the court reporter will transcribe all of 17 the verbal proceedings from tonight and we'll 18 get a written copy of that and we'll go through 19 that and see if there are any corrections that 20 need to be made. And once that's final, we 21 will post it on our webpage so the public can 22 take a look at it. 23 MR. SIANO: And what webpage is that? 24 MR. HUMPHREYS: It's the New Jersey DEP 25 Bureau of Nuclear Engineering. 22 1 MR. SIANO: That's good enough for 2 now. 3 MR. HUMPHREYS: Thank you. 4 MR. SMITH: Thank you for your time. 5 MR. SIANO: You're welcome. 6 MR. HUMPHREYS: The next commenter that I 7 have is Madelyn Schaeffer. 8 MS. SCHAEFER: Well, my initial question 9 that I put on the list was about budgeting, 10 but I'm afraid that may be out of the purview 11 of this committee but I will save it since 12 I have this opportunity here. First of all, I 13 would like to endorse your efforts of being 14 proactive and not reactive. The ten-mile 15 radius, is that New Jersey's choice, is that 16 national, is that international? How is it 17 that you arrived at the idea of a ten-mile 18 radius? 19 MR. MULLIGAN: The ten-mile radius goes 20 back to federal guidance documents. That was 21 originally put out from the NRC and that was 22 NUREG 0396. It was a federal guidance document 23 developed post TMI. When the nuclear emergency 24 planning and preparedness really took the next 25 step to implement a comprehensive strategy for 23 1 response and the ten-mile emergency planning 2 zone was arrived at based on a number of 3 reactor studies that the NRC had done, and that 4 would be based on the area beyond which acute 5 health effects are not expected to occur from 6 a nuclear reactor accident. 7 MS. SCHAEFFER: So, it started out 8 as a national guideline? 9 MR. MULLIGAN: It's a federal guideline 10 put out by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. 11 MS. SCHAEFFER: In talking with different 12 people, my question is, how does this 13 information get out? I see the binder and I am 14 kind of intimidated and I don't know that 15 I have any real understanding because I didn't 16 spend any time with it. 17 So, assuming that I live in the county, 18 how will I get the information? Someone said 19 the information does go home with the children 20 in the schools or? How is this preparedness 21 going to, assuming something just happened, 22 how will this go out? I mean, television, 23 radio? 24 MR. SMITH: Going back to the website 25 issues, this might help you also, sir, Mr. 24 1 Siano, if you go on to the NJOEM website and 2 then you look at a little logo down, there's a 3 little logo that has a nuclear sign and it 4 says, RERP on it, it's down on the righthand 5 corner, if you click on that, it will show you 6 evacuation maps, it will show you emergency 7 response planning areas. It will talk a lot 8 about what the plan does at reception centers 9 and that type of thing. So, there's a good 10 source of information for you on the computer. 11 MS. SCHAEFFER: Say I was -- 12 MR. SMITH: That's just for your general 13 knowledge so you can have that as a 14 preparedness tool for yourself in case. Now, 15 you're talking about a real event. 16 MS. SCHAEFFER: Right. 17 MR. SMITH: So, what we would do is, the 18 protective action decision that would be made 19 would be -- sirens would be sounded to alert 20 the general public with a ten-mile planning 21 zone. And what that simply indicates is 22 that you should go to your emergency alert 23 system radio state or EAS station and listen 24 to that station for further instructions. 25 But once a protective action decision is, 25 1 made by the governor, it will be put out 2 promptly within 15 minutes to the general 3 public, over the EAS station and it will be 4 in detail about what planning areas need to be 5 evacuated or who needs shelter and if the 6 general public should take KI. 7 MS. SCHAEFFER: So, aside from that 8 technically, if I were an average citizen, I 9 could come to the office which I saw in the 10 paper and look at the binder and kind of prep 11 myself? Is that something -- rather than 12 waiting until the sirens go off and everything, 13 is there a pamphlet or something like that? 14 MR. SMITH: The pamphlet is the calendar 15 that PSE&G puts out every year. And it has a 16 lot of information I talked about, i.e., 17 reception centers where you would evacuate to, 18 what emergency response planing area. They are 19 commonly called ERPAs; what ERPA you may live 20 in so you would understand that. 21 So, if you understand that beforehand, 22 you're prepared when this message did come 23 out on the radio and they say evacuate ERPA-2, 24 you'd say, oh, that's me and you'd go. And 25 everybody hopefully is going to go in a nice 26 1 orderly fashion. We have traffic control set 2 up, State Police, Local and PD and Sheriffs 3 to guide everyone through the area to go to 4 a reception center for monitoring and decon if 5 necessary. 6 MS. SCHAEFFER; So, every year 7 PSE&G puts out this information for people 8 living in the ten-mile radius and it's like 9 average ordinary citizen language? 10 MR. SMITH: Yes. 11 MS. SCHAEFFER: So, every year it comes 12 out. Technically, if I lived in a ten-mile 13 zone, I would have in my possession a calendar 14 that was given out this year so I could read 15 it and put it aside? 16 MR. SMITH: It goes out with the school 17 children. And also I think they make it 18 available -- maybe you can answer this question 19 for me, Jeff. Where do they make it available 20 at? 21 MR. WINEGAR: It's made available 22 at municipal buildings, public facilities as 23 well as -- 24 MR. SMITH: So, the municipalities. 25 There are six municipalities within the EPZ 27 1 here in Salem County and two in Cumberland. 2 So, it would be in those municipalities. Also, 3 their EOCs. 4 MS. SCHAEFFER: As I said, I just had 5 this simplistic question but I don't know -- I 6 will ask it but I don't believe I will get an 7 answer. 8 What percentage of the budget goes from 9 national, state, corporate and private funding 10 to find solutions for nuclear waste? Not 11 handling and storage but elimination or 12 solutions? 13 MR. MULLIGAN: The longterm storage and 14 disposal of high level radioactive waste 15 is the responsibility of the Department of 16 Energy. So, they are solely responsible for 17 the funding, siting, construction, and longterm 18 maintenance of that facility so there is no -- 19 it's not a state budget issue. It's not a -- 20 all of the nuclear utilities have already paid 21 the Department of Energy for the longterm 22 storage of that fuel. And the Department of 23 Energy is responsible at some point for 24 building that facility. 25 Now, they started construction. I'm sure 28 1 you're aware that they started and nearly 2 completed construction at YUKNOW and current 3 administration has put a stop to that process 4 and they're currently looking for an 5 alternative longterm storage space. 6 MS. SCHAEFFER: But as far as the 7 simplistic part is solution to not storage or 8 handling but elimination, dissipation of, not 9 creation of it. Is there scientists working on 10 that, on the waste part of it as opposed to 11 the handling and storage of it, how is there 12 great funding going into solving the problem? 13 MR. MULLIGAN: I think I know what you're 14 saying but scientifically it is impossible to 15 destroy spent nuclear fuel. It will be here 16 for a long time. That is why they are looking 17 for longterm storage facilities. 18 MS. SCHAEFFER: Science was not my 19 strongest area. 20 MR. MULLIGAN: Okay. 21 MS. SCHAEFFER: It just seems so 22 incredible that we can create things that we 23 can't do anything about. 24 MR. HUMPHREYS: We appreciate your time. 25 Thank you. 29 1 Is there anyone else that would like to 2 make a comment, questions? 3 MR. SIANO: I have some questions. 4 You mentioned the KI and the strategic 5 stock pile type of stuff. Does the -- is that 6 Radi-up, is that integrated into your 7 exercises? How is that done? Gees, what if 8 that phylum goes into Camden County? How do 9 you deal with that type of thing? 10 MR. WINEGAR: The strategic stockpile -- 11 well, basically, it starts from the local zone. 12 If I give KI to the health departments, they 13 have enough for every -- they have two for 14 every person in this county to start if there's 15 ever an emergency. They also run clinics. 16 They have public clinics where people drive up 17 and get KI and they get information about KI to 18 take it. 19 Then we have another source which would 20 be the State Police. I give them a lot and 21 they can use their State Troopers to move it 22 around quickly. They have around 100,000 doses 23 that they have. Then back in Trenton, we keep 24 another half a million cases. It's in a 25 location that I can get. 30 1 MR. SIANO: So, your distribution 2 methodology is covered under some of the 3 SOPs somewhere? 4 MR. WINEGAR: It's really not in the 5 SOPs. We're just given the responsibility. 6 We came up with it ourselves. We wanted to get 7 it out as close as possible because KI is 8 very important. KI, you want to get it quickly 9 if there's an incident. We also re-distribute 10 it to the schools. That's another thing. 11 Actually, the local health does that for us. 12 It's important. And the children are also 13 moved earlier than everyone else. 14 But it's important particularly for 15 children to get KI quickly if there ever is a 16 problem. So, that's why it's in the school and 17 it's in big supply. We can back it up quickly 18 from the other sources that we have. It's very 19 important to get it close to where the incident 20 would be. That's what we do. 21 MR. SIANO: Another wacky question. 22 Forgive me. If there are prisons within the 23 bad zone, you know, I feel bad cause they're 24 people, but are there plans to say, hey, we 25 know how to get them out of there safely 31 1 somewhere else in the event? 2 MR. SMITH: Yes, it's taken into 3 consideration. There part of the general 4 public just like anyone else. And we would 5 move those folks out. 6 MR. SCIANO: Thank you. 7 MR. HUMPHREYS: If there's no other 8 questions, then I'll adjourn the hearing. 9 Thank you for coming. 10 - - - 11 )Hearing concluded at 7:32 p.m.) 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 32 1 E R R A T A S H E E T 2 3 WITNESS'S NAME ________________________________ 4 DATE OF DEPOSITION ______________________________ 5 CASE NAME _______________________________________ 6 7 PAGE LINE CORRECTION 8 _________________________________________________ 9 _________________________________________________ 10 _________________________________________________ 11 _________________________________________________ 12 _________________________________________________ 13 _________________________________________________ 14 _________________________________________________ 15 _________________________________________________ 16 _________________________________________________ 17 _________________________________________________ 18 _________________________________________________ 19 _________________________________________________ 20 _________________________________________________ 21 _________________________________________________ 22 _________________________________________________ 23 _________________________________________________ 24 _________________________________________________ 25 _________________________________________________ 33 1 C E R T I F I C A T I O N 2 3 I HEREBY CERTIFY that I am a Certified Court 4 Reporter and Notary Public. 5 I FURTHER CERTIFY that the witness was sworn 6 to testify to the truth. 7 I FURTHER CERTIFY that the foregoing is, to 8 the best of my ability, a true and accurate 9 transcript of the testimony taken stenographically by 10 me at the time, place, and date hereinbefore set 11 forth. 12 I FURTHER CERTIFY that I am neither a relative, 13 employee, attorney or counsel to any of the 14 parties to the action, nor a relative or employee of 15 such attorney or counsel and that I am not 16 financially interested in the action. 17 18 _______________________ 19 Regine A. 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